Head Racing

[00:00:07] Speaker A: In rowing, a head race is a longer race typical of the fall season. They're usually around 5k, plus or minus, or for those of us Americans, that's around 3 miles, give or take. The start of these races is staggered time trial style. This means the boats aren't all starting and finishing at the same time. They're instead racing the clock. Over the course of the race, you may overtake other boats, the faster boat calling out yield and the slower boat adjusting course to allow them to pass. Overtaking another boat is exhilarating, and it's the only visual clue you get about how well you might be doing compared to other boats. Being overtaken on the course can be a significant mental challenge, requiring incredible focus and resilience from the rowers and challenging the cocks to keep their rowers motivated and at full pressure. But a lot of times, because of the staggered start, you have no visual clue about how you're doing in relation to other crews. It's a race against yourself, against the clock, the wind, the current, the cold, requiring you to give full effort, full press, without the confidence of knowing the effect of that painful effort on the outcome. This is where grit and resilience come in. Will you give up once the adrenaline of the start settles down and all that's left is the unbearable fire burning in your legs, the knives stabbing blisters on your palms and your brain screaming at you. You just can't take another stroke. Or can you find the strength within to face the pain blindly, focusing instead on the whoosh, click of the oars reminding you of your commitment to your crewmates, the words of your cocks that you trust implicitly, the cheers of the bystanders egging you on, or the deep knowing that you can and will leave it all on the water, no matter what. In rowing and in life, we all face our own head races, the moments where we don't know whether the pain we're feeling, the effort we have to give, will have the outcome. We hope so. We have to find the strength to do it anyway. We do it for ourselves, regardless, because in some dark recess of our mind, we know it's never been about the outcome. It's about knowing we've done the best we can, knowing how far we can press our own limits, and knowing that ultimately, no matter what happens, you. You're going to be okay. Because your best is enough. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Welcome back. I'm Alicia Cushman and this is the Gather. So here we are, gathered in a kitchen. This time, fall is fully upon us and that Means head racing season. I'm really curious, guys. What are your favorite memories at a head race? I have one. [00:02:38] Speaker C: All right. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Head races are hard because you don't know who's in. In the lead. You have to wait till the very end when the results come in. And it might look like someone's in the lead in the beginning, but when everybody's crossed the finish line, the outcome might be totally different than what you expected. So my favorite was running down to the dock and seeing my daughter put up her fingers for the place she got after all the. All the final races were in. And it just was a moment of joy because I had absolutely no expectation that that was the outcome as I was watching that hit race. [00:03:12] Speaker C: Which one was it? [00:03:13] Speaker B: It was Head of Schoogle. It was pretty incredible. [00:03:17] Speaker D: That's so exciting. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Because you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. And that's what's. So, you know, that's the uniqueness of the head races is it's really a very individual race. You're in that row, but it's really about that boat doing the best they can at every moment that they're going down the river. [00:03:33] Speaker C: I remember Kath and I, we were at our first head regatta, and all the boats are going by, and we turn to each other. We're like, they all look like they're doing really well. Had no idea. Like, I don't know. How do you know that this one's doing better than another? And so it's. It's kind of fun, which. So my favorite sort of memory I got, it would be the Head of the Hooch. And that's because I think in some ways, the. The fact that you're not watching this, like, head to head, like, really almost very dramatic race, makes them much more kind of cool and laid back on the side. So I love the Hooch because it has the greatest viewing area ever. And you're just kind of sitting out all afternoon with your friends, watching these boats go by, and you. You're cheering on each one as they go, and there's a little less drama about the whole thing. You're just happy that they're out. It's just a beautiful thing to watch. And so I just remember the gorgeous afternoon sitting on the banks of the river. [00:04:39] Speaker B: And the Hooch is in Chattanooga. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:41] Speaker B: And the Skoogle is in Philadelphia. I like it. What about you, Kim? [00:04:46] Speaker D: Well, as I mentioned in our first episode, I've done a little bit of rowing in the summer and fall of 2022, I did some rowing and I was at the Washington Rowing School in fall of 22, and our coach had said, let's get a four together of masters women above 50, because there's different categories of ages in some of these races. To row in the head of the Occoquan, down in the Occoquan River, a river I know very well because that's where our kids often raised in the spring. And so for Wakefield crew, we have a tradition where we bang a drum when our boats are coming down. And my husband happened to be the drummer for our team for a long time and would always bang the drum for Wakefield crew. Well, for our race, I'll just give away the ending now. We came in dead last in our category, and so that means that we were. We took off in the middle, but that means that I saw boat after boat pass us up until there were literally no other boats. And I was like, wow. So unlike other head races, we knew, like, halfway through the race that we were in dead last. And again, to the point about racing and rowing and doing it for the love of it, like I said, I guess we could have stopped. We could have just pulled over to the side of the river and said, hey, we're done. We know we're dead last, but we were like, let's finish this race clean. And that's what we did. We just had so much fun rowing. But my favorite moment was coming towards the finish line, and I could hear the drum banging for me this time. And it was actually my son, my husband had been on the banks of that river banging the drum for him so many times, and it was my son banging the drum for me. And so it was a really wonderful moment, even though it came in dead effing last, as they say. [00:06:26] Speaker E: Oh, that is very cool. [00:06:27] Speaker A: That's very cool. [00:06:29] Speaker B: I was there, I was there, I watched it. And you guys looked awesome. To your point. You guys looked awesome. I think that kind of points to the question, though, in a head race, like, why don't you just give up when you're going and you see other boats passing you by? Like, you know, you're not going to come in first, second, third, like, what is it that motivates the crew to keep going? And I think that's what's unique about a head race, because it isn't side by side and, you know, you don't know until the end. So I think, you know, some. One of the things that we've been talking about is, is what is it? What? And then how does that translate into kind of just life lessons about head race and how crews go down that river and keep going? [00:07:13] Speaker D: Well, I'll tell you, for that race where we came in last, like, I was, I was not a great rower. I found it incredibly difficult. It gave me so much more respect for the athleticism of rowing. But. And so when I was learning to row, I caught a ton of crabs. I was catching crabs all the time. [00:07:28] Speaker C: And we could talk about that side point. What's a crab? [00:07:30] Speaker D: Well, that's when your oar sort of gets stuck under the water and often it makes the boat come to a dead stop and sort of takes a minute to recover. Sometimes you have to like, swing the oar wildly over people's heads to get it situated in the right way. And it happens to everyone. If you're going to row any length of time, every rower is going to catch a crab eventually, but it's not something you ever want to happen, especially in a race. So in practice, I caught my fair share of crabs and I would judge whether a rowing session was good or not by whether or not I caught a crab. I'd be like, oh, no, crabs. So my personal goal for that race was not to win, but to just race a clean race and make it all the way down the three mile course without catching a crab. And I did it. And so for me, that was the victory. The victory was that I wrote a clean race with my teammates and it was like triumphant. Like, even though we were in last place, we were so happy to have done it. And it was really its own reward. [00:08:22] Speaker B: I love that. [00:08:23] Speaker C: I want to hear Alicia's. [00:08:24] Speaker B: Yeah, my favorite. One of my memories. [00:08:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:27] Speaker B: So this might be a little emotional. So my, the, the Charles holds a special place in my heart. So. So I know this will come out eventually, but my boys lost their dad in 2019, and that was one of the prequels to Derek finding rowing. And so their dad never got to see them row, which is something that makes me very emotional in the big races, that their dad would just be sort of prancing around with pride at the races. And so in this circumstance, one of the early Charles races, their uncle, actually their dad's brother, lived in Charles at that point in time. And that was the only race he was ever actually able to come to. And so even though it wasn't their dad, it was some part of their dad that actually got to see them row. And so it was a very sort of emotional event where, like, it was one where both Danny and Derek Were there. Both of my boys were there. And their uncle, who is the closest thing that they have to their dad now, got to see them row in this honestly, incredible, beautiful, challenging, awesome course. And they got to see him and spend time with him and row. And he got to see what the rowing world is like in its, like, best, most dramatic, but also most perfect form. And it was just this sort of collision of things that, you know, if their dad's never gonna get to see them row, at least his brother got to see them row and in a really cool circumstance. So the Charles always has a, like, special place in my heart, even though my boys have also been in very dramatic circumstances in the Charles with collisions and crashes and ang. So the Charles is a little bit of a roller coaster of emotions for us. But it's so cool. The Charles is just such a cool regatta. So that is. That's my favorite memory is when their uncle Danny, who my youngest child is named after, got to got to see them row. [00:10:20] Speaker D: And we're just back from the Head of the Charles. We were there this weekend on an incredibly beautiful fall weekend in Boston. And it was the 60th anniversary of the Head of the Charles race this weekend. And it just was picture perfect to be there and watch all those people celebrating rowing and all those boats from high school to college to masters. There was an octogenarian category there, which I didn't get to see their race, but just knowing that there were 80 somethings there, racing, being competitive at that stage of their life, and just knowing that there's no end to enjoying this sport, it was really pretty awesome. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it was everything. It was everything. They had alumni, college boats. They had the octogenarians. You have like eighth graders, so seventh graders. You have parent child boats at the Charles, which one of these days I swear I want to do with the boys is to a parent child race. That would be fun, right? [00:11:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:10] Speaker B: You and Will could do it too. Oh, Pierre and I talked about it. She's like, no, I don't think I can keep up with you, honey. [00:11:19] Speaker D: Have you ever been in a rowing shell with your boys? [00:11:23] Speaker B: I have not. [00:11:23] Speaker D: You have never done that. [00:11:24] Speaker B: They would kill me. They're cringing. If they're listening right now. They are cringing at the thought of rowing with their mom. [00:11:33] Speaker D: And. Have you ever been in a rowing boat? Have you ever or shell? [00:11:36] Speaker C: No. So I haven't. Well, no, I have not. [00:11:38] Speaker D: So you might have to change that. We'll have to change that at some point. [00:11:43] Speaker C: But yeah, no, I think I did on Parents weekend, we would do those. I think I was on a barge. I don't think I was on an actual boat. [00:11:53] Speaker D: But you certainly have learned a lot. [00:11:54] Speaker C: I would like to do, but it's fun. Yeah. The head races are pretty. They're fun. I mean, they're also all. They're emblematic of fall. [00:12:03] Speaker E: Right, Right. [00:12:04] Speaker C: So it's this time when fall's my favorite season. You know, it's got all the. You know, the leaves are just changing and you're, you know, by the time they're all trained up and ready to start doing these regattas. So the Occoquanza river that we would always go to, which is in Virginia, just south of D.C. and it's beautifully wooded river, and so the leaves changing everything. That's the other part of them that I just absolutely love is kind of the foliage and everything around it. [00:12:37] Speaker B: It is beautiful. [00:12:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:38] Speaker D: Yeah. I feel like people don't talk about that enough, but the exposure that our athletes get and that all rowers get to waterways, to nature, especially in this day and age when so many people are on their screens all the time, it's just really an amazing opportunity to get away from all that. You can't be looking at your phone when you're holding on to an oar. It's pretty awesome. [00:12:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Usually, even spectating, you can't look at your phone because you don't have service. And you're just sitting on the banks with, like, you know, literally sitting on the side of the water. [00:13:09] Speaker D: Yep. [00:13:09] Speaker B: Underneath the trees, in the grass, watching the rowers and the birds overhead and the trees. And usually it's like the sun is in some version of the sky. [00:13:19] Speaker A: Sunrise, sunset, dawn. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Like, it's just so gorgeous. I think that's one of the things, too, in head race. You know, the crew of nine, you know, the eight and the coxswain are in that boat, but they are themselves. They are individual and, you know, and they're out there. You're talking about nature. I'm not sure that they're paying attention to the sunlight and the leaves at that point when they're rowing in the head race, but really, it's an. It's the individual boat and how well that boat is doing in that race of numerous boats, you know, and that's. I think I. I find some appeal to the head race because, again, you don't know the outcome. And so it's a very insular type of approach that you have to take to being unified in that boat for that sole goal. Of being the best in that race. Without the metrics along the way of knowing how your. Your outcome is going to be, you have to focus on your best being the goal. [00:14:17] Speaker D: Yeah. The mental and physical fortitude that requires pretty incredible. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Exactly. And trust in your coxswain and that your coxswain is going to guide you down that head race. And the Charles, you know, we talked about a little bit before about the. The challenge just of the course itself. Yeah. You know, and ensuring that the coxswain has the point that you need, as well as the strength of the rowers and that focus of those of that boat. Right then at that moment, at every moment during a head race. [00:14:46] Speaker C: You know, I think we're talking about this. These things that head races give the solitude of the boat. You're in it yourself. You don't have these natural automatic benchmarks against your competition and what have you. And, you know, think about what that teaches our kids. But I'm kind of curious how. [00:15:02] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:15:02] Speaker C: It feels like a big metaphor of life, doesn't it? [00:15:05] Speaker B: It does, yeah. For sure. Yeah. You're never guaranteed an outcome in life, you know. [00:15:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker B: What's your personal head race right now? [00:15:14] Speaker C: Well, so I run a small nonprofit, and I think. I think leadership in an organization can feel like a head race a lot of times, because you're not. You don't have obvious direct comparisons with other people. You've got the work that's ahead of you, but you got to trust the people around you and you got to be built the best team you can, but you don't really know how you're doing, and future is uncertain. And so, I don't know, it's kind of finding that inner confidence in yourself and hoping that you build a strong enough team and have confidence enough in that team that that is the thing that's gonna do its job. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker C: But it can be harder than. That's. I guess that's all the crazy stuff in my head right now. [00:15:58] Speaker D: That's a leap of faith. [00:15:59] Speaker B: It's a leap of faith. Yeah. [00:16:01] Speaker D: So much of, like, our working lives are like that, you know, are we making the right decision, trusting the right people? And one little decision can have a big outcome or change the dynamic of something. And it's a lot of responsibility. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:14] Speaker B: But you do it anyways because you love it. [00:16:17] Speaker C: Well, yeah. I mean, the reward is. I mean, you do get those touch point moments right. Where you. Where you can see how you're doing and those moments of joy or, you know, I imagine they Sort of feel you have just those, those, those few, you know, those hundred meters where, man, we were in sync the whole time. We just felt like it was, it was rocking and rolling and then you hit a bird or something. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Which actually did happen. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Life. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Life be life. It's you guys. [00:16:51] Speaker C: I mean, I don't know. [00:16:53] Speaker D: Well, I have a personal head race and it's rowing related, actually, I think I mentioned this in the first episode, but I am working on a potential book about the Howard University rowing team, which was the first all black varsity rowing team in American history and perhaps even world history. This is an all black rowing team that was fielded for just 10 years in the 1960s, the height of the civil rights movement. And they were really groundbreakers because this was, as we have talked about and we'll talk about, it's a pretty expensive, fairly elitist sport. It's been pretty rarefied error for a lot of people. I mean, there's so many schools and universities that don't even have crew. So it was not a space that people of color and black Americans had a lot of exposure to. So the fact that Howard University fielded a rowing team has been a particular interest of mine ever since I learned about it when my kids start getting into the sport. And so I have been researching the history of this team since 2021. I've published a couple articles about it and I think it's a book. I already have my tagline. I think it's hidden figures meets the boys in the boat. But writing a book length project is like a head race in that it is hard to get published. It's hard to have the fortitude to sit down and write like a 70,000 word book. Not knowing whether a an agent will want it or a publisher will want it or anyone will respond to it or ever read is a true leap of faith. I am not getting paid for the hours that I sit at my desk researching this history and writing these words that I'm working on. But I believe in this story very deeply and I believe in these men that forged a team against all odds during the 1960s. And so that is my own personal head race that I'm very determined to see this story story come to fruition in some way. I do hope that maybe we'll have former rowers on the podcast at some point because there's plenty of them still around. [00:18:54] Speaker C: And we're gonna have to hear more about this because there's also some really cool things that you've done with this. So we're gonna have to have the whole episode on that. [00:19:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:03] Speaker D: I'm so excited. I'm so excited about this team. But that is my personal head race and there's no sure outcome, but I'm really determined to see what I can do with it. [00:19:12] Speaker B: It's going to be awesome. We can't wait. [00:19:14] Speaker C: You sold three copies already? [00:19:16] Speaker D: Yes. We'll see. Well, now it's out there, so I. [00:19:21] Speaker C: Have to do it. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Exactly. Yep. What about you, Jess? You know, it's interesting. I, I don't know, I give this. [00:19:29] Speaker D: A little bit of thought and I. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Am a new empty nester and that is a huge challenge for me. My daughters have been really my life. Yes, I have a full time job, I've had full time jobs, but my, my real satisfaction has been in seeing their growth and their successes. And as we were talking, I was thinking about it like, you know, being their mom, I saw successes along the way. So I don't know if it's stretched to suggest that those are, you know, that the spring sprint races, but, you know, I see outcomes every so often. Like they'd be quick bursts of good grades or great friends or, you know, involvement in sports or activities at school. And I knew I was kind of doing a good job like along the way, you know, and now without that constant end goal with them, I mean, yeah, sure, they're doing great, but they're on their own. They're. They're living their lives and they're doing things and they are succeeding. But I'm not there at every moment. So I don't know what that outcome is. And so I'm not sure that this is exactly it, but I think my head race is trying to figure out for myself because I'm that individual now in that race, running that long game of what is my finish line and how do I succeed along that way. As I embrace this kind of new stage in my world, I think there. [00:20:53] Speaker C: Are a couple of us that can relate to that. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:20:55] Speaker C: That sense of, yeah, what's the next. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you got, you got a constant kind of like hit of like, yeah, okay, she did great. Yeah. You know, you like put it in and you're like, that's great. But now it's kind of like, okay, what's that long term, you know, and you're there kind of by yourself, but you still have a time in here. I have my team, I have my gather, I have my friends, you know, who are still with me. And we'll, you know, we continue to like, navigate that world of Empty nesting. But, you know, what is it that. That is our markers. And what is that goal? [00:21:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:27] Speaker D: So we'll see. [00:21:29] Speaker B: You got this. What about you? So mine, I think, is. I think it's something I've realized has been a lifelong head race that I'm just realizing I'm in. Does that make sense? [00:21:40] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Like, I went through the shoot. I went through the shoot and I didn't even know. Wake up, Alicia. [00:21:49] Speaker C: Why am I rowing? [00:21:50] Speaker B: Why am I rowing? But I think, for me, I'm dealing with a situation professionally that is my personal head race, where I'm a person who is incredibly optimistic, and I believe in the best of everyone around me to a fault. And in this case, it is a fault. And so I've come up with. I've come to a place where I'm in a circumstance with an individual who is really in charge of my career and my future, who did not deserve my trust and is not a good person and is not acting in good faith. And what I've realized about myself is I don't have defense mechanisms, and I also don't necessarily want to be a person that sort of doesn't trust. Right. So, you know, when we talk about the coxswain having to earn the rowers trust, but the rowers have to give that trust, and they have to give that trust to someone who has earned it and deserves it, and they don't just give it blindly, otherwise they end up crashing into a bridge or something, you know? And so I think that's my personal head race is finding the right balance of when I give that trust and have that faith in others so that I can protect myself without shutting the rest of the world out. So I think that's my personal head race right now. Yeah. So that was super heavy. I think it. I think it's. I think it's time to have a little fun. I think it's time to have a little fun. [00:23:15] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:16] Speaker C: So. [00:23:17] Speaker B: So, yeah. [00:23:17] Speaker C: So are we going to introduce the latest feature of the podcast? [00:23:20] Speaker B: I would love it. I would love it. I think you should introduce. [00:23:25] Speaker C: So I have a hard time saying podcast because John Mulaney had the podcast. Every time I say it, I can't help. All right, so the four of us play trivia every week, and we thought it would be a fun addition to have a moment in each podcast where we probably. That's probably copyrighted. We don't have the money for that. Kim's got to sell her book. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:54] Speaker C: And then. So we're going to do a trivia question. And so I have the first trivia question. And so I'm going to see what you guys think of this. [00:24:03] Speaker D: And we have no idea what. [00:24:05] Speaker C: You have no idea. [00:24:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker C: All right. So I did a lot of research on head races, meaning I googled it. And so the oldest head race in the world is called the Head of the River. What's the river? [00:24:21] Speaker B: The Head of the River. Whoa, we need Jeopardy Music right now. Yeah. Is it the Thames? [00:24:27] Speaker C: It is the Thames. It is the Thames. So it started in. And so that's what they. It's called the Head of the river. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Or it's. [00:24:39] Speaker C: It's a head race because you were crowned the Head of the river. [00:24:42] Speaker E: Oh, for that year. [00:24:45] Speaker C: And so that's what. And started in 1926. And it's in the. A part of the Thames that's just west of London. [00:24:53] Speaker D: Oh, wow. So that still happens to this day. [00:24:55] Speaker C: Yes. And so it's been going. So this upcoming year is going to be its 100th year. [00:25:02] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that's so cool. [00:25:05] Speaker C: And so then. So follow up if so in trivia, you get your add on two point question. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:25:11] Speaker C: So add on two point question. What is the oldest regatta head race in the U.S. i mean, would it. [00:25:18] Speaker D: Be Head of the Charles? [00:25:20] Speaker C: No. [00:25:20] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Wasn't the Hooch pretty old? Because they like moved it from one river to another. [00:25:27] Speaker D: I don't remember. [00:25:28] Speaker B: Because it used to be actually on the hooch, which is why it's called the Hooch. [00:25:30] Speaker C: Okay, what is it on now? The Mississippi? No, it's not the Mississippi. [00:25:34] Speaker B: I don't know what it's on. [00:25:35] Speaker D: It is on the Chattahoochee river, isn't it? [00:25:37] Speaker B: I don't think so. I would go, it might be the Charles. Yeah, you're right. [00:25:43] Speaker C: There's actually some guy whose name I didn't write down who I didn't write down, but he was, you know, the head of a boathouse there and he wanted to bring one of the. The races that they did in England, which were the Head of the river race to the Charles. So that's. It became the Head of the Charles. [00:26:00] Speaker D: Got it. [00:26:02] Speaker C: Because it was the Charles river. That was in 1965. And an additional interesting thing, the Head of the Charles is the largest regatta in the world. [00:26:13] Speaker A: It is. [00:26:14] Speaker C: Okay, so it's over 11,000 rowers or athletes participating. But there's the Sulkava head race. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Is also just around 11,000 rowers. That is somewhere in your great. I should look that up again. And then the next. The next sort of categories are the Schuylkill and the Hooch, which are in, like, the 8,000 range. [00:26:37] Speaker B: Wow. [00:26:37] Speaker D: That is huge. [00:26:38] Speaker B: So Henry and Charles was founded by the Cambridge Boat Club. Cambridge Boat Club and their members, Darcy McMahon, Howard McIntyre and Jack Vincent. [00:26:48] Speaker C: Nice. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Which is why Cambridge and the British boats are always there. So Derek raced against Cambridge this past weekend. Yeah. And Leander and, like, the big. All the big British clubs were there. [00:26:58] Speaker C: Okay, that makes sense. [00:26:59] Speaker B: And their thought was it would be a great way to break up training in the fall. So, you know, having a head race would be, you know, your training, training, training for your spring season, and it'd be a great way to break up your. Your fall training sessions. [00:27:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So cool. [00:27:15] Speaker B: And also, now we know the genesis of the term head, because Alicia, in all of her brilliance, thought it was, like, the type of river, like the delta of the river. I thought it meant, like, the area of the river. I thought it was a river term. [00:27:28] Speaker D: But I'm sure a lot of people do, though. [00:27:31] Speaker B: It is not. In fact, you get crowned the head of the river outside of London on the Thames. That's where it came from. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Exactly. Oh, all according to Google. [00:27:39] Speaker B: That's so cool. [00:27:40] Speaker D: That was fascinating. [00:27:41] Speaker C: Or Bing, or whatever your favorite search engine is. [00:27:44] Speaker D: Hey, if Google wants to sponsor our podcast. [00:27:48] Speaker C: Sounds good. [00:27:49] Speaker B: All right, well, this has been super fun. Thank you guys for joining tonight. Don't hit pause. Keep going. I think that's our thing, right? Don't hit pause. Go to the next episode. I think we're going to talk about coxswains next. So, yeah, next time we gather, coxson will be the topic. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Thank you. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Thanks, guys. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Thanks.